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- From: Steve Hillson Area: DESQview
- To: Robert Faison 16 Dec 89 17:01:18
- Subject: 386 Neat Chip Set
-
- I have a 386 with the NEAT Chip set. I am having difficulty multi-tasking
- with DESQView and QEMM. System is 386sx w/4Mb RAM.
-
- Any ideas? Do I need an All-Charge card, as well?
-
- TTFN,
- Steve
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- From: John Hicks Area: DESQview
- To: George Heymann Of 307/7 13 Dec 89 18:53:00
- Subject: Latest Trend
-
- > if you haven't let me fill you in......It doesn't work with
- > Desqview, at least
- > not with the Quarterdeck Expanded Memory Manager (QEMM). Not
-
- Same with M1 Tank Platoon. Works fine without QEMM. Sure would be nice to
- run these games under DV while the bbs is up and running.
-
- jbh
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- From: David Page Area: DESQview
- To: Ralf Brown 15 Dec 89 07:02:22
- Subject: Re: QEMM386 - Help!
-
- RB> Depends on your system. When I got my new 386/33
- RB> (with 16450's, not 550's), I did some tests with
- RB> RBcomm and with DSZ. RBcomm had no problem keeping up
- RB> with 57600 bps receives without flow control. DSZ
- RB> couldn't quite handle 57600, but did quite nicely at
- RB> 38400 (3550cps on the one file I tried). All my tests
- RB> were run under DV2.22+QEMM4.23 with no other windows
- RB> open.
-
- I agree with what you say. On my own, cached 16MHz 386, its possible to do
- exactly what you say. On the other hand, just down the road, a friend with
- the 20MHz version of my machine, and an ESDI controller had problems. In
- general, the NS16550an is required for reliability. Mine became required when
- I added a Perstore controller.
-
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- From: paul marwick Area: DESQview
- To: Howard Spindel 15 Dec 89 16:48:32
- Subject: QEMM NR Option
-
- -> >like this --> Device=qemm.sys NR
- ->
- -> What does NR do? Not documented in my copy of QEMM!
-
- :-) Nor mine. Quarterdeck told me about that one - stands for NoROM.
-
- Regards
- Paul.
-
-
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- From: John Vanorsdale Area: DESQview
- To: George Heymann Of 307/7 14 Dec 89 15:50:00
- Subject: Latest Trend
-
- In a message to All <10 Dec 89 14:20:00> George Heymann Of 307/7 wrote:
-
- GH> Has anyone else noticed the latest trend
- GH> in entertainment software ???? Well
- GH> if you haven't let me fill you in......It
- GH> doesn't work with Desqview, at least
- GH> not with the Quarterdeck Expanded Memory
- GH> Manager (QEMM). Not only do you have
- GH> to exit Desqview as was typical with some
- GH> of the past entertainment software
- GH> but you have to reboot your system without
- GH> the expanded memory manager. All of
- GH> the software that I've tried from Access
- GH> Software is incompatible as is the
- GH> case with the two (2) latest titles from
- GH> Microprose F-15 Strike Eagle II, and
- GH> Sword of the Samurai. I contacted Access and have not received a reply,
- GH> Microprose contacted me and told me that
- GH> they were aware of the problem and
- GH> would contact me when they find a
- GH> solution......"I'm not holding by breath
- GH> folks..."
-
- I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who wants to be "entertained" while
- some other task is running in the background... Which brings me to THE
- question... What does make software incompatible with DV and is there any way
- that these programs can be identified (other than spending hours trying to
- get it to work)... What programs work and which ones don't... Betcha there
- are some of you out there who can help someone get his favorite program
- working, if you only realized that others were having problems with it...
-
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- From: Allan Nelson Area: DESQview
- To: Peter Stern 14 Dec 89 10:44:58
- Subject: Re: Qemm 386 Problems... Rec'd
-
- Glad to get the data on 3.12 as I haven't had time to install it yet.
- Allan
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- From: Dennis Schmitz Area: DESQview
- To: Kenneth Roach 15 Dec 89 09:22:02
- Subject: RE: The ultimate System
-
- In a message of <13 Dec 89 01:31:17>, Kenneth Roach (1:208/204) writes:
-
- KR>> Howdy gang
- KR>> Can someone tell me what the "ultimate" system configuration would b
- KR>> to run DESQview 386 w/QEMM-386? Cost is not an issue.. Please
- KR>
- KR>Cost is no object huh.... Hmmm. How about a Compaq SystemPro? A pair
- KR>386's running at 33mHz _should_ get you by for a month or two... Compaq
-
- No. He will not be able to use this machine to the best advantage under DV.
- DESQview will NOT be able to use the second processor. As yet, the only OS
- which supports the dual processors is the special version of SCO XENIX 386
- which has been written for it. So today (until 486/33 are available) any
- 486/25 machine be the ultimate in processing speed.
-
- The SYSTEMPRO does, however excel in DISK IO if you have the bucks and the
- need.
-
- KR>Let me know when you get it. I'd like to come down and gawk - :^)
- KR>Not at the computer... At how rapidly your electric meter turns!
-
- The one in our lab doesn't really suck that much juice.
-
- Later,
- dEN
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- From: Bill Gustafson Area: DESQview
- To: All 15 Dec 89 11:45:00
- Subject: Harvard Graphics in Desqview
-
- Can anybody out there help me? I have been trying to run Harvard
- Graphics under Desqview but I haven't been having much luck. Every
- time that I try to run the program, Harvard Graphics claims that it can't
- access itself on the network. Obviously, DV is confusing it because there is
- no network. I'm using a 386 with QEMM installed. If anybody can halp me I
- would appreciate it.
- Thanks,
- Bill
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- From: Jeffrey Kay @ 930/21 Area: DESQview
- To: Everyone 14 Dec 89 22:46:48
- Subject: PC-CACHE & DV
-
- Seems that running PC-CACHE under DV 2.25 may have caused FAT errors on
- my har disk. Using PC Tools 5.5, EXP 4meg cache on a 386/25, QEMM 4.2.
- Has anyone else had similar problems?
- Is there a known conflict between DV and this cache?
- How about SuperPCKwik?
-
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- From: Robert Faison Area: DESQview
- To: David Westman 16 Dec 89 10:26:00
- Subject: Re: 386/vcpi? Better Than Dv?
-
- >>into the computer. In fact, nothing just pops into the computer.
- >
- > Sure they do, (excluding ACC installations). It's just a matter of
- > patience, time, and effort. It takes time to clear away workspace,
- > pull all the plugs, take out the cards, unscrew the motherboard,
- > yank it out and put in a new one. Then comes the debugging. Getting
- > chassis LED's to work can be frustrating when the DOC's are poor.
- > But once past that the rest is easy money. Your old cards
- > will either work or not work and not much you can do if they don't work.
-
- > However, what's all this got to do with DV? Anybody out there used the
- > new util from quarterdeck? It's called MANIFEST.
- > Any new news about new versions? QEMM386 5.0 and DV 2.26 ?
- > David
-
- Since you asked, this thread is about standardizing on new hardware to
- optimally run DV. Dealing with misconceptions is a part of that. I think we
- all reached a stalemate on what is more complex to install, an ACC or a 386SX
- MB. However, we have found out that from a user's actual experience that a
- 386SX MB's cost is much higher than was being announced. About $500 more.
- That was the point.
-
- I no longer have a 386, so QEMM386 5.0 is not something I'm going to call my
- contact at Quarterdeck for. In that he just resigned to start a new
- enterprise, I don't know about 2.26 either. I'm not too excited about the two
- point twos. I'm the type that gets a good working version and then waits for
- the three point ones. Then I'll go get em...
-
- Bob
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- From: Steve Ahola Area: DESQview
- To: Bob Davis 16 Dec 89 11:10:32
- Subject: 1:1 RLL & DV
-
- > DC> like this --> Device=qemm.sys NR
- >
- >Whoa, Don. Say that AGAIN. Is that an undocumented thing from
-
- Its no rom.
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- From: David Westman Area: DESQview
- To: Bob Davis 16 Dec 89 05:26:00
- Subject: Re: 1:1 Rll & Dv
-
- > DC> if this is a 386 and you are running QEMM then put NR
- >on the QEMM.SYS
- > DC> line
- > DC>
- > DC> like this --> Device=qemm.sys NR
- >
- >Whoa, Don. Say that AGAIN. Is that an undocumented thing
- >from QuarterDeck? My manuals are at the office so I can't
- >look it up, but I sure don't remember it. What does NR do?
-
- er, uh, NR ? NoiseReduction ? no it's not in my version of qemm.sys
- maybe a typo on his end? David
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- From: David Westman Area: DESQview
- To: Bob Davis 16 Dec 89 05:33:00
- Subject: Re: Desqview Support
-
- > DC> this echo , also that i am a tech for Quarterdeck
-
- Really? That's great! Well tell us about this new program
- that's shipping with qemm 5 called MANIFEST.
-
- David
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- From: David Westman Area: DESQview
- To: David Kuhn 16 Dec 89 06:05:00
- Subject: Re: Zenith 386-16mhz & Qemm
-
- >reports about 17.2. What I beleive I am doing is using
- >EMM.SYS to map the 640K-1024K memory as expanded therby
- >allowing QEMM to map in extended memory to that memory
- >area. My question is "Is that legal? Isn't there a hardware
-
- Wait a minute, hold on.. There may or may not be physical memory in
- those RESERVED memory addresses from 640 - 1024. So what you have
- is two expanded memory managers mapping in extended memory into
- the same addresses? Doubt it seriously.
-
- You didn't mention anything about QEXT.SYS to give you bigger windows
- or is window size substandard to norton speed drills.
-
- I don't know, what you describe is very puzzling, however, what's your
- Landmark Speed? Do you perform Speed Disk, Optune, and Veopt
- everynight to take care of those deadly frags? <grin> David
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- From: David Westman Area: DESQview
- To: Kenneth Roach 16 Dec 89 06:09:00
- Subject: Re: The Ultimate System
-
- In a message to Clark Vandiver @ 911/104 <12-13-89 01:31> Kenneth Roach wrote:
-
- >>
- >> Howdy gang
- >> Can someone tell me what the "ultimate" system
- >configuration would b
- >> to run DESQview 386 w/QEMM-386? Cost is not an issue..
- >Please includ
- >> what type of Memm and how much; Perhaps a recomendation
- >on a monito
-
- You can't be serious !
-
- Who would mess with DV if cost is no issue? Go write Sun Microsystems
- a check for about $13,000 and take home your new sparcstation.
- David
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- From: Rene Bilodeau Area: DESQview
- To: Peter Stern 16 Dec 89 09:00:00
- Subject: Re: QEMM NR Option Rec'd
-
- > HS> What does NR do? Not documented in my copy of QEMM!
- >
- > Short for No ROM. Is supposed to exclude all ROM areas from
- > QEMM
- > control. This switch created lock up problems on my system.
- >
- > Pete
- >
- I experienced the same thing when I tried it. Woke up in the morning to find
- the system locked up as tight as a drum and my CMOS gone.
-
- __
- Cheers /_/ ,
- / \ene
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- From: Robert Faison Area: DESQview
- To: Jeffrey Kay @ 930/21 16 Dec 89 19:32:00
- Subject: Re: PC-CACHE & DV
-
- > Seems that running PC-CACHE under DV 2.25 may have caused FAT errors on
- > my har disk. Using PC Tools 5.5, EXP 4meg cache on a 386/25, QEMM 4.2.
- > Has anyone else had similar problems? Is there a known conflict between DV
- and this cache? How about SuperPCKwik?
-
- No. PC-Cache works perfectly with DV. However, I do have some interesting info
- for you. Especially if you turn off the computer or have a too large cache
- with a multitasking system. Read this:
-
- To : Mike Harpe
- Subj: ROCK SOLID CACHE MISCONCEPTIONS
-
- Mike,
- I just finished reading Byte, October 1989 (rarely read them, just subscribe)
- and found that I had some drastic misconceptions of Disk Caching.
-
- To recap: Someone here in DV Echo was very knowledgable and sort of cleared
- up this ongoing thread titled "ROCK SOLID CACHE." At least he cleared it up
- for me. He talked about how the Cache, whichever it is, should be as large as
- possible. Additionally, he gave several technically knowledgable reasons for
- this. I took his advice and increased the size of my PC-Cache, which is
- loaded into expanded memory. This increased the speed of my system.
-
- However, Byte Magazine, in the article 'Under the Hood: Disk Caching,' page
- 297, Oct 89, sheds new light on the subject. To wit: There are 2 kinds of
- Caches, Disk vs. Ram. Disk Caching is dangerous if you turn off the computer
- or lock up. Technically the problem or concept is call 'coherence.' If the
- 'Disk Cache' doesn't update the disk before you switch off, "Whole files-and,
- worse yet, the directory structure of the disk itself-can be damaged or
- utterly lost."
-
- Wow! Didn't know that. With a Ram cache, no problem. The next issue is the
- *types* of Cache techniques. There is Write-Through vs. Write-Back. In
- microcomputers, you mostly have *write-through*. Coherence is maintained by
- sending write requests to the disk controller immediately. This is considered
- the most fail-safe method. However, *delayed writes* saves more time and head
- motion. Delayed writes, however, cause problems. Early Unix used Disk Caching
- with delayed writes. Wouldn't update the disk for hours. Sudden crashes were
- disasterous. Now they do frequent saves.
-
- In the PC world, delayed write caches flushes almost every 2 seconds (whew).
- Still, if you turn off the machine, poof, lost data. Then the article goes
- into how the Caches read ahead. Also how they have to wait for the IBM PC ROM
- BIOS to wait, which causes additional waits. Then they mention that some
- caches do their seeking in the background. Thus, if you use a disk benchmark,
- the statistics are totally false and meaningless!
-
- Then they get to the good stuff. Multitasking systems. When they have
- *Write-back* methods, elevator seek algorithms are used. These write-backs
- are bad because the disk must be updated all the time for safety. It should
- be handled as a background task. Now, normally, its better to have as large a
- cache as possible. I'll skip the Disk caching stuff, cause we're using Ram
- Caches (PC-Cache mostly).
-
- Multitasking systems apparently require a more complex algorithm. They factor
- in the difficulty of getting the data back. If the disk head is far from the
- data, it may be best to keep the data in the cache. Still other algorithms
- take into account special knowledge of the file system (DOS). Keeping the FAT
- and possible the Root directory in the cache at all times. In the Amiga file
- system, reads and writes are relatively quick, but locating a file slow. Use
- a Disk Cache for the Amiga. Here's the killer, (even though we're talking
- Disk Cache here), if you're running MultiFinder on the Macintosh, *REDUCE*
- the size of the cache to run many programs at once. Otherewise, it
- continuously purges itself and then rereads before it can get going, bogging
- down the whole system. Wow!
-
- LANs need a Disk Cache also (as with multitasking systems, don't turn off the
- machine, or bye-bye) on the server. Network workstations are more
- complicated. Software disk caches will simply refuse to work here.
-
- Then the article rambles on and has some programs to type in that *really*
- tell you what the speed is. Not the manufactorers phoney tester.
-
- So, whats the issue here? Multitasking systems. Desqview. That's what we use.
- Should it have a smaller cache since its going to have to flush if we have a
- lot of windows open? Or a larger cache for maximum speed. I believe we need a
- moderate size cache here. I believe that we need someone to tell us how to
- test the *flush* rate of our caches. Then we can tell if we have optimized
- our caches or are simply wasting good ram when we turn on DV.
-
- Jeff, let me know what you think. I can't write any more as I will run out of
- space.
-
- Bob
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- From: Steven Kurzrok Area: DESQview
- To: All 16 Dec 89 12:48:46
- Subject: Memory Management
-
- I've watched the echo for a while, looking for hints on memory
- management/maximization. I have a 386 with qemm 4.2. I had a paradise vga 8
- bit card in place. With this configuration and the command line Qemm RAM, I
- was able to run windows of 568K (DOS 3.3). I recently upgraded to the
- Paradise VGA 16bit VGA/1024 card (very nice). On boot the machine immediately
- crashed. After several frustrating hours, I was able to get the machine to
- boot with a new command line QEMM x=b000-b7ff RAM, excluding a 32K area
- between two segments of video ROM that qemm detected. The machine works well,
- but my max window size is now 528K. Is there anything I can do to reclaim
- more memory? Hints, tricks, any help or education, much appreciated. (The
- manual helps little.)
- -Steve
-
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- From: Brice Fleckenstein Area: DESQview
- To: Keith Myers 15 Dec 89 19:09:32
- Subject: QUESTION ABOUT DV'S MEMORY USAGE
-
- You have a few choices - most of them involve additional hardware.
- (1) If your current machine will run with 256K or LESS of motherboard base
- RAM, you can add a EEMS or Hardware LIM4 memory card and some additional
- memory, which DesqView will then make use of to make your second (and third,
- and ...) window larger.
- (2) You can upgrade to a '386 based machine, add QEMM, and add memory, with
- the same results as option (1) above.
- (3) If you have a 80286, you can add an All Charge Card and additional
- memory, with the same results as (1) above.
- (4) You can switch to DoubleDos, which uses a lot less RAM overhead. With a
- 340K partition, though, your second partition will be no more than 170 K or
- so, though, without additional hardware like in (1) thru (3) above.
-
- Desqview is nice, but it is NOT designed for 640K RAM machines at all....
- --- SFBHQ TBBS
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